Interview: Terry Wolfe-War of the Words

INTERVIEW: TERRY WOLFE-WAR OF THE WORDS

JANUARY, 28TH 2024      AARON SMITH      SEASON 1      EPISODE 62

SHOW NOTES:

Imagine a world orchestrated by the intellectual elites, a place where technocracy reigns supreme over passion and chaos. Isn't that just a utopian dream or perhaps a prelude to a dystopian nightmare? Terry Wolfe, a mind whose intellect dances on the pages of his acclaimed works, graces us once again to unwrap the intellectual tussle between H.G. Wells and George Orwell. Spiraling through Wells's vision of an orderly New World Order and contrasting it with Orwell's somber warnings in "1984," we carve a path through the dense forest of their ideologies, drawing lines that connect to the roots of today's global power plays.

As the world spins on the axis of progress, are we inching closer to the brink of a society that is too controlled, too designed? Terry and I navigate the intricacies of Orwell's fear of a technocracy that chokes the natural, untamed parts of humanity. We dissect the aspirations and anxieties that echo in the halls of modern thought, legacies left by Wells and his contemporaries. This isn't just a casual chat; it's a deep-sea exploration into the abyss of societal reform and the chilling ripples it sends across our collective consciousness.

We don't just stop at the cerebral, though. This episode sails into the speculative seas of Wells's allegories, discussing their startling relevance in an age grappling with global warming and UFOs. Could the rise in public interest in extraterrestrial life signal a cosmic shift in consciousness? We touch upon the spiritual and the speculative, questioning the existence of interdimensional beings and their possible impact on global transformation. Join us on this profound journey as we examine the threads that weave together politics, spirituality, and human belief, culminating in a conversation that's as much about personal awakening as it is about the societal metamorphosis we all find ourselves a part of.

VIDEO OF INTERVIEW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIUjyfhUpWY

TERRY WOLFE SUBSTACK:
https://winterchristian.substack.com

LUCIANO FAMILY:
https://www.givesendgo.com/adoptingalani

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Subtle Cane Podcast. I'm your host, aaron Smith, broadcasting from the Aorta of America, beautiful festival city, oshkosh, wisconsin, where we pump out reason and pierce through the propaganda. Here we go. Today is Sunday, january 28, 2024. This is Episode 62 of the Subtle Cane Podcast, war of the Words. If you're new to the Subtle Cane Podcast, thank you for gracing us with your virtual presence. If you're a returning listener, thank you for your continued support. It is much appreciated.

Speaker 1: 0:47

We see a lot of coverage and hear an awful lot about the New World Order these days and if you go on social media or watch some YouTube or Rumble videos, you might be tempted to believe that the whole great reset New World Order agenda is a relatively new phenomenon. Of course, the seeds of totalitarianism go back throughout human history and this latest cast of clowns are only carrying on what was started long ago. We examine the history of eugenics and technocracy here in earlier episodes, and it pays to learn about the history of these things for several reasons. Firstly, it helps us get a better perspective about just how insidious and persistent tyranny is. Secondly, it allows us to recognize patterns that invariably repeat themselves throughout history. And, of course, it allows us to use inductive reasoning to predict, with some monocle of accuracy, the trajectory of the events we are witnessing and hearing about now.

Speaker 1: 1:49

Today, author Terry Wolfe is back to take us on a little adventure in the time machine and discuss one of the major social influencers and authors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, mr HG Wells. He also offers some insight about the apparent tensions between Wells and George Orwell, who, I'm sure I don't have to mention, wrote one of the most referred to books of today, 1984. Let's strap in for what turned out to be a rather long discussion about the ideological rivalry between two great minds of the past. If you want to watch the video of our discussion, terry posted it to his YouTube channel. I can't really handle seeing myself on camera, but the option is there, the link's in the show notes, and here we go, how you doing today.

Speaker 2: 2:37

I'm doing quite well. Thank you for having me back on. I'm up in Canada. You know where it's really freezing and you know we're trying to try to keep our mind off of that. So you know you get your head into weird rabbit holes and books and things like that, trying to try not to, you know, think about the weather. So that's, I think, probably why I get into writing my own books and going on doing podcasts and everything else. You know you got to stay occupied with something other than the drudgery and darkness up here.

Speaker 1: 3:13

Wisconsin has a similar climate and you know we've been subzero for the last week and a half, so just inching back up to the 30s. So it's warm out now.

Speaker 2: 3:27

Right, yeah, yeah. So I've been looking into some stuff I thought was pretty fascinating and for me when I get into that kind of mode I like to try to share it with people and see where it goes from there. One of the things I've found over the years is that, you know, with my TikTok account it was a perfect example, was you know? I throw something out that maybe it's almost random, it's out of context, but somebody somewhere will pick that up and then it can have a trickle effect or a wave effect where somebody else will then say, oh, like a researcher or somebody who's also doing their own research, they can run with that and it leads to places that I wouldn't have expected. So I'm kind of more shameless now, but just trying to throw talking points on my sub stack or on my social media. So this one I've made a case for a long while that I think HG Wells is very underappreciated and underestimated by researchers into the New World Order, the conspiracy that we're always talking about, and you know, for the most part people still just think of HG Wells as being a science fiction author. You know the invisible man and you know war of the world and these different things and his depictions of, you know, science fiction were very important. That is what he's most famous for. But he was also very much a thought leader of an actual generation of intellectuals on the Atlantic coast in England and in America, and I've recently found more evidence that I thought was quite like. I'm surprised that I haven't seen this before, that I think that's what that's. What really caught my eye was that I've never heard people talk about the relationship between HG Wells and George Orwell, and so I found, like I knew and I should tell people who don't know that HG Wells actually just straight up wrote a book called the New World Order in which you know you might say, well, okay, what is that actually about? It's pretty much a exactly what you think.

Speaker 2: 6:09

It's saying. We need to get rid of federal governments, we need to get rid of national sovereignty, we need to have a world government and it should be run by these benevolent technocrats that will make all of our decisions for us and ensure that we're all safe and and taking care of, and they will provide everything that we need. We can't have individual states controlling their own destiny and having their own conflicting ideas, because that leads to bad things like war and you know trade disputes and greed and this kind of stuff. He also hates capitalism and the idea that, you know, rich people can run away with wealth and then there's this inequality and stuff. So it's really this very early and still completely resonant idea with what the global elites are essentially inching towards, although the whole question is, you know, why don't they just do it? Why haven't they done it and what's stopping them? And you know what is the big plan. Is this all going according to their plan, is it not? And this is where George Orwell actually comes in. And to me it's very interesting because everyone assumes and I've heard many people say when you, when you look it up, that 1984 was a commentary on communism and on, you know, stalinism and this idea of you, know that he was basically looking at the Bolshevik Revolution and this stuff and saying this could be our future if we're not careful.

Speaker 2: 7:45

But I've actually found that George Orwell hated HG Wells. You know they're two British authors overlapping, although Orwell was younger, and until I have an article that I found, you can look it up very easily. It's called Wells, hitler and the World State, written by George Orwell. So like, right there you have. This is in during World War II, wells, hitler and the World State, so that nobody knows the outcome of World War II at this point when this is being written. But Orwell has, hg Wells has been weighing in on it. He's been, you know he's. Hg Wells thought that communism might be the thing to replace the West. He thought that communism might be the solution, a world communist dictatorship. There's a lot of things he actually liked about it and you know Germany early on, yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:55

Yeah, go ahead, hg Wells. One of the lines here that I feel like is I didn't highlight here, so let me look for it, but he talks about the influence of HG Wells. So he says but is it not a sort of parasite, meaning, you know, killing your own parent, your own father? For a person of my age 38, to find fault with HG Wells Thinking people who were born about the beginning of this century are in some sense Wells' own creation. How much influence any mere writer has, and especially a popular writer whose work takes effect quickly, is questionable. But I doubt whether anyone who has, who was writing books between 1900 and 1920, at any rate in the English language, influenced the young so much. And once you realize Wells wasn't just writing science fiction, this really is like a perfect window into the past, where these things were taking root and the idea of this global government, the New World Order, was really, you know, still just up for debate. It was still fresh on people's minds as the wars were happening. And these people are thinking how do we prevent this from ever happening again? You know that was the whole idea is that the United Nations, the World Federation, as HG Wells called it, would prevent wars from ever happening again because everything could be controlled and mediated and regulated from the top down.

Speaker 2: 10:43

Orwell here in this essay he talks about how HG Wells doesn't appreciate the irrationality of people Like. Here's another quote from him. He says science is fighting on the side of superstition. He says it is impossible for Wells to accept this. It would contradict the worldview on which his works are based. The warlords and the witch doctors must fail. The common sense. World state, meaning this world government as seen by a 19th century liberal whose heart does not leap at the sound of bugles, must triumph. History and defeatism apart, hitler cannot be a danger. That he should finally win would be an impossible reversal of history, like a Jacobite restoration Meaning. He makes this point over and over again. That's just one quote, but that HG.

Speaker 1: 12:02

Wells, Sorry, what's that I was saying? If you could break that down a little bit, how do you?

Speaker 2: 12:09

interpret that? So what he's saying is that HG Wells is a stuffy intellectual who sees the world as progressing from nationalist, barbaric, self-interested, small-minded countries towards a sane, orderly, transcendental, big picture rationality where things in the future are going to all be scientific, they're all going to be sterile and well-measured and proportionate. You won't ever have a dictator again. That just doesn't work anymore. And HG Wells is saying there's no reason that doesn't work anymore Just because technology has advanced, just because science is the order of the day.

Speaker 2: 13:05

Science can be used by people like Hitler to commit even greater atrocities, to do even worse things than any warlord would have hoped in the past. And so it's not just that. There was the Dark Ages and this medieval brutality, and then science came in, and now we're progressing towards this utopian future where all problems will be solved by this world state. It's that. That's why he mentioned something like his heart leaping at the sound of a bue, just this raw, patriotic, irrational call to arms. We're just going to go out and kill people, we're just going to go out. And Orwell understands that side, and if you read 1984 with that in mind, you actually get a much better commentary there, because 1984 is very much about the control of passions, the control of language and ideas, to the extent that they have their. I forget exactly what it was called. What is it? The four minute rage, or?

Speaker 1: 14:19

the two minutes of hate there.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Two minute hate. Yeah, it was, whatever it was. There's a couple of minutes of hate or whatever. Where they were gathered. Normally they were completely docile and pacified and numbed, and then that, orwell understood, would mean you have all this pent up, bottled up, frustration and angst because your life sucks so much and on some subconscious level at least, you realize you're being lied to and everything is horrible, and so there needs to be a vent for it. And so that's why in his story there's this thing where they show you a video of these horrible things, where women are being shot with machine guns and all these atrocities are happening on the screen, and then you can just let out all of your passions at once, and it's a very controlled sort of passion. It's kind of a reflection of Orwell making fun of what kind of how you would have to manage a new world order.

Speaker 1: 15:25

Right, because the passions are still there, but people need to vent that. But at least you can provide them as the scapegoat and vent that away from the systems of power toward the assigned scapegoat, but still acknowledging that it's there underneath the surface of all times.

Speaker 2: 15:45

You just have to direct it somewhere so that it becomes useful and then you can go back to being just a animal, essentially just a insignificant being that doesn't really have a intellectual life. It's very obviously extremely anti-intellectual. Just like a new speak destroys the whole language to the point where people can't express ideas anymore. That was that's kind of the central plot device of 1984 is the fact that just people can't express themselves anymore because they've taken away all the language. And that also is sort of a parody or a counter proposal, I guess you could call it to HG Wells, where HG Wells imagines that the education level of everyone is going to get better and better and better and that the ruling class genuinely might have the best interest. Because HG Wells was not trying to be evil. That's almost sort of the horrifying thing about the New World Order is that it really does believe that it has the greater good in mind and that it can solve the world's problems by just controlling everything. And they will provide you an education, they will tell you what good opinions are, what bad opinions are and which direction mankind has to go, and they will use science to justify it.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Hg Wells, obviously, if you know that, his contemporaries. You know that he was also best friends with Bertrand Russell, who is this, you know. I see on TikTok and on other places where I wouldn't expect people still fawning over Bertrand Russell like he was a saint and he is the father of modern scientific thinking and whatever. Bertrand Russell very explicitly believed in eugenics. He believed in controlling breeding, human breeding and wanted to breed subraces for doing hard work and other ones for ruling, and like his enlightened scientific opinion was horrifying.

Speaker 2: 18:04

If you understand he's writing before the Nazis, you know. And then you have eugenics being explored in America and then in actually in Germany. Afterwards Hitler took inspiration from some of the eugenics in America. But you know all of these, this idea that science is just going to work for the greater good and that these technocrats, these scientific rulers, can decide what's best for us. As a somebody who's a big fan of 1984 but never believed that it was really about communism, I thought there has to be something else that explains why this resonates so much today, when we still have you know, like there are parallels but this essay about the world state and saying very clearly that basically everybody who was young around that time looked up to HG Wells, all the thinking, people thought that he had the answers. For me that's a very solid basis for starting to talk about HG or George Orwell, 1984 and sort of the criticisms, because, orwell, you know, I could read another little quote here yeah, and I do have a couple of follow-up questions for you.

Speaker 1: 19:37

You want to do that quote, or do you want to?

Speaker 2: 19:39

Well, let's just see here that the quote is you know, creatures out of the dark ages have come marching into the present. Orwell says you know he's talking during World War II. And if they are ghosts, they are at any rate ghosts which need a strong magic to lay them. The people who have shown the best understanding of fascism are either those who have suffered under it or those who have a fascist streak in themselves. A crude book like the Iron Heel, written nearly 30 years ago, is a truer prophecy of the future than either Brave New World or the Shape of Things to Come. Shape of Things to Come, I believe, was HG Wells yeah, Although I think I'm more familiar to just as called Things to Come. I don't, maybe the full title was Shape of Things to Come, but it's, I think it was way back in the 30s.

Speaker 2: 20:41

Right HG.

Speaker 1: 20:42

Wells movies maybe, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:46

Yeah, it's an amazing movie. People should watch it because it is this very striking vision of a biological war that decimates the human population and the different, basically the way that a world government would emerge from the ruins of an all-encapsulating, total war that destroys everything. But yeah, so here we have just again. He's listing the actual titles of the books that HG Wells writes and talks about how they're not true prophecies, they don't really understand the future properly because they're not crude enough, they don't tap into the impulses of human nature enough, and I think that's why Orwell's satire and his commentaries resonate so much longer and he's so much better remembered for pointing out the dangers than HG Wells. But that is sort of. The question is, if HG Wells had all of these disciples back in this time and Orwell sort of saw himself as an underdog fighting against this giant of British thinking and intellectuals, which one ended up having a bigger impact? And how much impact did HG Wells really have with this nonfiction and his essays that he has? So yeah, go ahead with the follow-up questions.

Speaker 1: 22:22

Yeah, that really got me thinking about a couple of things. Number one, the inconsistency that Orwell talks about. I was thinking about this because Wells was a working class guy and so in a way I can picture him using the Morlocks and the Eloy and the Time Machine, the Morlocks being a representative of the working class, and so you can see that Marxist idea of them being the ones that provide all the wealth and the comfort for the Eloy, which are basically just like these little beautiful four-foot people that are up there laying around and then being you know eating and you know essentially living off of them in a very parasitic way, and then being you know eaten and oblivious and helpless, and so that ties into a resentment of the elite. That makes sense in a Marxist perspective. But then you have this idea that there's going to be these scientific elite that will be able to technocratically manage the population, and so it's such an inconsistent view to have. But HG Wells definitely go ahead.

Speaker 1: 24:05

I was going to say because of that blind spot that he had for science that Orwell picks up on, that disregards the intrinsic human nature and that secular, humanist evolutionary perspective that allows for a belief that as long as we evolve and often our knowledge evolves and we become advanced enough that the intrinsic good and evil that we have in our nature as human beings from, like, say, the Christian worldview, you let go of that and you have this false sense of security when it comes to the science and the technology and knowledge being able to overcome what's intrinsically human. Where Orwell was recognizing that that's inconsistent, that the evil can still be done, it's just more advanced, there's more advanced tools being used to conduct the evil and that blind spot that we see with the elites now with that belief in this.

Speaker 2: 25:18

Yeah, hg Wells believes genuinely in progress with a capital P. Just, there is just such a thing as progress. You know, the good will overcome the bad, the new will overcome the old. These things are just inevitable. And so the question is, who will define it and how will it best be implemented? And he sees everything that doesn't conform with progress as sort of an aberration and a glitch, a mistake, a small setback maybe, but you can't really have a full return to just evil. You know, the progress must happen, and that's sort of what this whole essay that George Orwell wrote is saying. In fact, he starts by quoting HG Wells and talking about how Hitler is running out of steam and he's about to lose, and Germans are demoralized and they don't want to, basically just left to their own, they will just fall apart because they're not on the side of progress, and so they're just sort of automatically doomed to lose. And Orwell is saying you know, why are they? You know whatever, he's quoting actual current events at the time. Why are they attacking this place? Why are they doing that? It looks very much to me like they're going to keep going until somebody stops them. And you know, it's not good enough to just publish articles to say, you know, look at them, they're, they belong to an old past that doesn't work anymore. That's not going to stop them. There needs to be an equal offensive and something to stop them. So it's a very practical look at how HG Wells is sort of out of touch and he talks about how he grew up in a different era where you know these sort of horrors weren't happening and so you could afford to sort of speculate on the future a lot more. You know, in this utopian sort of way of thinking. And to that end I want to point people towards you can just go to archiveorg and look up a lot of HG Wells old books and you don't have to pay anything. You can just as a beautiful display where you can read these things for free on the Internet archive. And HG Wells published a small book, really more like a booklet, called the Rights of man, and in that I'll read a quote from HG Wells.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Here he says plainly this is HG Wells, not Orwell. Plainly, I am an extreme revolutionary, although I dislike rhetoric and emotion intensely. That's key when you talk about Orwell. He dislikes rhetoric and emotion intensely, meaning I like to just be intellectual and simple and honest and he sort of. That's why he talks about this sort of this common sense world state. You know he doesn't want to have to rally people with stirring nationalistic speeches or appeal to some God or some other thing. He doesn't like rhetoric and he doesn't like emotion. He doesn't want emotion to factor in it. We should just be cold, calculating technocrats, and that's how we should get things done. Although he is, as in his own words, an extreme revolutionary, he says although I dislike rhetoric and emotion intensely, my reason nevertheless compels me to be extreme.

Speaker 2: 29:16

I do not believe it is possible to go on with the present way of living that prevails throughout the world, with the sovereign governments we have and the economic practices that prevail. So you know, sovereign national states and capitalism. These sovereign governments have given us nothing but inconclusive wars on larger and larger scale, and we have to get rid of them all. This is the science fiction author you know, oral, talking about the rights of man. We have to get rid of sovereign governments. He says all of them. It is not the present German government we are fighting to get rid of, it is any government of that sort, including, most emphatically, our own.

Speaker 2: 30:09

So this would be treason. This would be, you know, just a straight up declaration that our own government and he's obviously talking about Britain himself needs to be destroyed. They have to get rid of it. We have to get rid of and replace this is continuing the quote we have to get rid of and replace all these governments by a world system, and that alone is world revolution. So it's all there. You know, during World War II, with HG Wells, a cold, calculating, rational, technocratic world system that destroys national governments, destroys national sovereignty, including his own. He's not making an exception. He wants all governments to capitulate and to be destroyed. And so, you know, this is Orwell says.

Speaker 2: 31:14

He's the thought leader of that time, you know it's a very it's actually a very direct connection between HG Wells putting this kind of rhetoric out, an extreme revolutionary who, nevertheless, is not passionate and does not feel like a man and does not feel like he needs rhetoric. He's okay, working behind the scenes, he's okay. You know, obviously he's trying to invite people into this thing rationally, but there's no reason to think that those who are disciples of his wouldn't say okay, we need to implement this through secrecy, we need to implement this through policies, one step, one inch at a time, here and there, in this sort of there's a term for it. When you do that, I forget what it's called. It's named after an old Fabianism. That's exactly it.

Speaker 2: 32:03

Yes, fabian socialism is this idea based on this old Roman general who, fabius, who would always retreat if things got bad enough and the enemy would think they're giving up because they're retreating, but actually he was just moving his forces and then he would attack somewhere else and he would never fully commit his entire force anywhere. He would do little strikes here, little strikes there and just sort of whittle down his opponents through these smaller skirmishes and the enemy would always try, in the name of honor and pride, you know, to have a major one-on-one conflict and settle the whole thing all at once. He was famous for never committing all of his forces anywhere, so that even if he lost somewhere, it didn't really hurt his chances at the next one. He could always sort of split up and do more. And so socialism through that which I think perfectly describes this, you know is this sort of idea that, one step at a time, everywhere, those who are part of this conspiracy will just will implement the world government through self-sabotage, essentially through destroying their own governments. That's the best way to do it to get into power and then erode the institutions from within through either outraging people with scandals, through, you know, self-destructive policies and just social manipulation All of the things we see today.

Speaker 2: 33:44

Where we're like why are the people in charge so stupid? Why are they so dumb? That's what everybody used to say. Now people are more aware that it's an actual conspiracy. When I was growing up, it was almost impossible to convince anyone that there was a conspiracy. You just even George Bush and these other people. They would just say they're stupid, they're just incompetent, they don't know how to govern. No, if they're a believer in this kind of philosophy, you can get yourself into power and then become an active saboteur against your own government. And that's what HG Wells was calling for. And I just have to point out that HG Wells wrote a book called the Open Conspiracy. Well, that's good. The full title is the Open Conspiracy Blueprints for a World Revolution. It was published in 1928., so we're talking well before World War II. He was already 60 when he wrote it.

Speaker 1: 34:54

And you've made this point a couple of times throughout. But to really sink in is, this is one of the foremost influencers of the time, we'll say is talking openly about this stuff, and so the fact that it's carried forward as effectively as it has been is mind boggling the patients. But you see that in the eugenics movement too, which he was closely tied to and advocated for personally, go ahead. I just the fact that, if we put that in modern terms, we're talking about someone with the influential power, relatively speaking, of like a Joe Rogan, let's say, on the population not making any comparisons ideologically between the two but someone that's very easy for people to recognize now that has a massive influence on the population and how people think and what they're talking about. Short break here. As you know, I've altered my value for value system in a rather unorthodox way recently. I do this because I love to learn and I hopefully encourage and inspire people to enter the arena of ideas, to sift and winnow through evidence and conduct various thought experiments. I ask only one thing of you, my wonderful producers each episode I will be featuring a need, shining a spotlight on opportunities to make a difference by returning any value I may have provided to you, to someone or something that could use a hand. This episode.

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Speaker 2: 37:29

Yeah, which is why it annoys me so much that he's only remembered as a science fiction author and Aldous Huxley or somebody will brave new world. He's recognized as being more of a sort of a thought leader in this sort of picture of how things go. It's like HG Wells. This is where I was also going to go with. I want to follow up on the open conspiracy just a little bit, because that's worth pointing out what he was trying to really advocate for. But HG Wells' science fiction also is still reverberating today with the UAP phenomenon and the alien disclosures as they're being presented. It's all still from HG Wells' playbook. And so the open conspiracy Blueprints for a World Revolution, literally called the open conspiracy, because he says you can't have real world government and a real change with one separate group all over the place trying to do this, but you basically also can't contain the secret. You have to have an open conspiracy, you have to have people who buy into this ideology of his bridging sort of through white papers, as they're called, through these official documents, through big meetings like Davos, which just happened, like the Bilderbergs, all these groups that are. They're not, they're secret, but they're not that secret and you can see that they're happening. You just aren't allowed in yourself. Hg Wells was advocating for that in the open conspiracy. He wanted the intellectuals of the world to get together and just sort of hash it out in the open and admit yes, we are working for a world government. We want to find a path towards this.

Speaker 2: 39:40

And in the open conspiracy he talks about I believe that's the book. I've read a bunch of these ones and I sometimes get them a little mixed up, but I'm pretty sure it was in the open conspiracy that he actually warns future leaders who buy into this open conspiracy that they're going to have to overcome their conscience and their moral qualms about things. Because he says that people basically rulers and technocrats and stuff they don't like to destroy things that are beautiful and that are functional and that have a lot of tradition and heritage and value. But you're going to have to get over that. He's basically saying you have to become evil. There will be many beautiful people that you have to find ways to eliminate and suppress in order to achieve this greater good that's going to take care of all of humankind.

Speaker 2: 40:45

And obviously, with Hitler's airing and ideology, you kind of see exactly what he's talking about If we promote things that are beautiful. Hitler wanted this huge revival of beauty and renaissance and obviously a master race and sort of just everything that was sort of ideal in his eyes. You know, promote that. But you know, hg Wells is saying we're going to have to make the world a less beautiful place, maybe a sacrifice, a bunch of stuff, in order to achieve this, and so it's not just utopianism and the idea that everything will just get better if we put our heads together.

Speaker 2: 41:25

He knows that there's a cost to this and he's just advocating Bertrand Russell is very much the same way. He knows that religion and traditional values are standing as an obstacle in the way of his idea of the scientific revolution. He's just saying you know. So what you know, we have the moral high ground as scientists because we represent progress, you know, and religion belongs to the past and this appeal to aesthetic beauty or traditional values is just obsolete and therefore it's okay for us to destroy it and replace it. And so he's actually cautioning about this stuff.

Speaker 1: 42:09

One of the things.

Speaker 1: 42:12

Go ahead All right. One of the things that always blows my mind is how much influence our formative years can have on our lives. Not only that, when it turns into, when someone becomes as influential as HG Wells was and still is, how much that can ripple out to other people Coming from a working class family. His dad belonged to a group called the Freethinkers, I believe, and so they were. I don't know if they were atheists or agnostic, but basically they were very much what he espouses the ideas of a very functional life and everything is based on empiricism.

Speaker 1: 43:14

And his mother was a religious lady. She had a faith and she was devout to her faith and she wasn't even able to live with them because of the way they're living arrangements. So the mother and the father were separated. He lived with the father and so he comes up with this father who has these ideas about the world and how it's empirical only and very materialistic, and you have to get rid of that. And so to see, like a young HG Wells, seeing his mother away working in the factory and with her ancient traditions and her thoughts, I don't know. It just struck me like I wonder how much. I wonder how much of that turned him into the man he was intellectually just trying to humanize, Right.

Speaker 2: 44:13

Because I know that I'm pretty sure it was HG Wells who was yeah, he was sort of an outsider within the really snobby upper class not secret societies, but book clubs or whatever they were called at the time, like Cecil Rhodes and Milner and these different guys who were really sort of like old British colonial thinkers who just wanted to have the Anglo Empire continue forever and just have this British supremacy over all the subhuman species and they were always incorporating eugenics, logic and race theory into why they deserve to just permanently be on top. And so HG Wells was an outsider within that group who nevertheless, you know, won over a bunch of them and showed that the British Empire couldn't continue forever if for no other reason than the fact that it would continue to provoke people more and more, the more successful it was. It kind of had to go underground and become an enlightenment movement so that they could lead the next phase where it's a world government obviously being led by this British effort to seduce in America and these other nations and become. That's what happens in World War II, is they get America to come and save Britain and they're just best of buddies ever since. It's sort of like, you know, stop trying to be a colonial power and start trying to be a appeal to the common person, appeal to the average people. That's why he puts out popular fiction that catches the attention of young people and becomes.

Speaker 2: 46:16

There's a fun element to it, and but they almost always do have a moral that ties back into his scheme, which is, you know, one of his most famous works, the War of the Worlds, is entirely about how Britain is not prepared for a threat that is, you know, big enough that, because it is this colonial power, it's not prepared to think in terms of rapid response, global efforts and the alien phenomenon, as he proposes. It would be something that would unify countries, it would cross borders, it would not respect sovereignty. It's not a formal declaration of war, and so he's, the underlying message of the War of the Worlds is we need to have a global response to global problems. That's what else do you see constantly, right now, in our current day, global warming and, you know, global inequality, and, again that day, the hearings in Congress about the aliens, the disclosure stuff. I'm paying attention to that stuff because I've seen this as from the back in the.

Speaker 2: 47:28

You know, I grew up watching X-Files and I, you know, I thought it was an amazing show, but it was all about, you know, disclosure. When will the government actually reveal these things? That was sort of the whole point of the message of that show is that someday the government will actually disclose the truth, and that's when we can have this transformation in society. You know it's no longer going to be an X-File, it will be official truth. And how will the population react to that? And that's happening now. You know they're pulling the trigger on that propaganda and so you have the Pentagon, which controls all the information, leaking out these things to try to engage the public. And as I was listening to the congressmen in the oversight committees coming out of these briefings I don't know where the best place is to find the video I saw a clip of it on TikTok, but you can see them come out and talk to the press after this briefing. And now it's coming out.

Speaker 2: 48:37

And that David Grush was his name, the whistleblower who sort of kick started this whole thing. Right, yes, the mouthpiece of the propaganda that they're choosing. He's saying that this is interdimensional. It's not that they're from another planet, you know. It's not that they're little green men. It's not what HG Wells proposed, which is literally Martians, you know, coming in and they have their own, their big eyes and their you know tentacles and things like that. These are interdimensional beings that break the laws of physics and so there's a almost a hallucinogenic effect to it. There's a it's mind warping. It doesn't work within our physical realm and so there's a spiritual element, essentially with the interdimensional side.

Speaker 2: 49:37

But the government is now the military is now going to disclose essentially that we don't live in a materialist world. There is, there are other dimensions that break our laws of physics and defy all scientific reason, and we are going to have to somehow interface with them. And what does that mean? What do you get when you have the military advocating for essentially psychic or spiritual action, war, perhaps you know, against things that don't obey physics. You can't just shoot it with a bullet, you can't just destroy it with aircraft. These things are kind of spiritual beings. Maybe we need to have a new type of weaponized spiritual warfare.

Speaker 2: 50:30

You know, this is the direction the current disclosures are getting at, and it's been a very long process, a Fabian, socialist type system of planting the seeds for this stuff and I obviously, in my book, firing the rabbit hole. You know, try to take this to the the logical extreme here, where they're basically saying demons are our possible allies if we, if we negotiate this right. You know they're not destroying us, they're not killing us. They're trying to send us warnings. They're inviting us to, you know, review our policies. And what are these? What are these aliens? When we do hear about, you know, people like David Grush or Steven Greer, when these other advocates going and talking about, it's always that they're actually. They're not that bad. You know, they're just trying to stop the nationalist, sovereign governments with nuclear weapons from destroying the planet or the climate or the environment. They're always actually the stewards of the world. These interdimensional beings are trying to save us from ourselves, and so they can be like that terrible, just terrible, marvel Eternals Right, yes, thing along those lines Exactly.

Speaker 2: 51:59

And so again I just want to I have to point out because I'm you know I made the points in firing the rabbit hole using whatever I had on hand at the time and I think I got a good amount of substance in there about who was involved and where the stuff was coming from.

Speaker 2: 52:17

But since then I'm just. There's so much more I've learned about how actually sort of a straight line you can draw from HG Wells to the current day, with the war of the worlds being this call to arms to stop thinking of your nation as being, you know, safe and protected and having your sort of old fashioned beliefs. You have to have this willingness to have a globalist system and that an alien threat would be the one thing that would shock people into giving up their regional sort of mentality and think in terms of a global team, a global partnership that could deal with something like that. And obviously I can't believe I'm going to forget his name. He's literally the guy that made Citizen Kane and he made the American version of it. Oh no, orson, orson, wells, orson.

Speaker 1: 53:24

Wells.

Speaker 2: 53:25

Yeah, he made the American version of war of the worlds and he takes it out of Britain and he puts it in New Jersey and talks about how. You know it's produced as a news broadcast and so then you know, it gets a lot of Americans confused, especially in rural areas or places where they've never even heard of this kind of stuff before. There technically was a warning that this is a fictional drama and whatever, but it was sensational enough that obviously it sort of proved the point that you could have this alarm being rung and that America's not safe either. You know the little rural places. You know it could happen just like this any day. You're not expecting it.

Speaker 2: 54:16

So this legacy of HG Wells is just all over the place. Orwell was responding to him. Our idea of the aliens being this threat, this phenomenon that can come out and sort of capture the public imagination, has been very carefully managed because you can hear from them that they. One of the reasons why they trickle this stuff out so slowly and they're so precious about it is because they know that if they did some sort of data dump or they just sort of had a WikiLeaks, you know treasure trove of stuff you could go dig through it would actually lose its impact. It would not be sensational enough. They have to sort of stage, manage the whole disclosure process so that there's time for people to speculate and then they can adjust their discussion around it and stuff, because they're trying to go for it now. I believe it's going to tie in with the sort of World War III collapse, dollar collapse scenario when they create a crisis that's big enough that people are hopeless and they are economically broken and the dollar is worthless and there's hyperinflation and all. Whatever all happens, the point will be to plant these seeds now so that when the time comes, they can unveil the answers from these interdimensional enlightened beings who presumably had some role to play in the evolution of mankind. And they have been guiding us the whole time as loving masters that wanted us to understand our higher purpose and this very much a mystical element to it. So HG Wells wasn't going in that direction. He wasn't trying to say that aliens were. It's not the same script, but it's using that inspiration, using that precedent and then taking it in this, because they basically can't have CGI that's good enough or a hoax, that's good enough.

Speaker 2: 56:39

I believe that's a big reason why they're doing this with the interdimensional aspect, but I guess that's sort of a different topic. But it's to me just very interesting to see actual congressmen coming out of a briefing and talking about how. I can't tell you the details, but we're not talking about little green men in there. There's a phenomenon that's interdimensional and we have to sort of brace the public for this, because it's going to theoretically overturn all religions. It's going to overturn all traditional spiritual knowledge, and so they're trying to prepare us, and the military is obviously trying to prepare these congressmen who are not in on it.

Speaker 2: 57:32

It's not like they're all part of the same club. This is very controlled material and they're trying to stage play it so that the right people in the right positions, who represent the congressmen, represent you and me. They represent the average people. They're the ones who will sort of be the messengers, as they're in these committees and they have these hearings and they'll disclose things, so that it's not just somebody at the White House podium saying the aliens are real. It's like that would be too sloppy, that would be too blatant. They need to handle it the right way.

Speaker 1: 58:12

Who on the nose? You just look at Hollywood. We've seen a move from the more original spacemen little green men, martians. We've moved and within the last I'd say two decades for sure, I've seen more and more of a creep of that interdimensional spiritual aspect and we've also seen a big rise in this idea of the I guess what's called the Great Awakening II and this idea of how, okay, we have quantum physics now so we can spiritualize science. And now we have these multi-dimensional or interdimensional beings and bringing ancient pantheons of gods into popular culture over and over and over again, rewritten and repurposed and put some nice long hair and some big muscles and maybe an electric car, it'll look great.

Speaker 1: 59:37

But the Thor and Tony Stark combination, and we've seen that move. And I think that the materialist perspective, that straight hard science perspective, that has fallen short. And so the spiritual, bringing back the spiritual aspect and turning science into religion, is very effective, because people are dying for a relationship with a god on a human level and if you can give them a god and still have them deny sovereignty of the god. But these are some good people or good aliens or good interdimensional beings that maybe they've been mistaken for gods in the past, but it's science and they're going to tell us how to live and that way you can have a degree of separation from the actions that have to be taken in order to implement those policies.

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

I wouldn't even humor any of this, I wouldn't even care about any of it if I wasn't confronted by real people in my own life and even more online obviously, who fully buy into that. It's not a hypothetical. I'm used to being around Christians who don't concern themselves with any of this stuff, but when I meet non-Christians and if we're friends and we get into conversations, it doesn't take much for them to in some way or another say that they want to believe in something beyond the normal rational bounds of daily life. They want to have something transcendental and they will eventually say if it's aliens, I'm all on board, they're prepared and ready to jump on this bandwagon. I can think of an example. Obviously I'm not going to give the guy's name or anything, but somebody I know personally that was even hypothesizing that he had encountered aliens when he was younger. He had some sort of weird dream or something. Everybody's had some sort of experience in a dream, especially when you're younger, that you could remember in a certain way and say I think I've had some sort of encounter that defies explanation and it really mystifies you. He really had no concrete experience that he could point to, but it's almost as if just that desperation, that hunger for a religious experience. He was already hyping himself up and that, as these things were happening, as these disclosures were happening, he would come and talk to me and try to. He knows that I'm a Christian. He's sort of challenging me that look at this, what about this? How do you deal with this? These facts are coming out now. They're talking about it. I'm just thinking they've got you. They've got you exactly where they want you, starve you of spirituality and then now present you with this transcendental thing.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

And then some cool counterculture figures like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Bertrand not Bertrand Russell, russell Brand they can go and promote psychedelics with science and they promote the expansion of the consciousness and this sort of psychic pioneering and psychic exploration with spiritual experiences. And then they're sort of creating this narrative here and there, the Fabian system where you never fully commit to one personality or one thing. It can be spread out. They're constructing this narrative that, yeah, aliens were ancient, they were responsible for our evolution, and so they can sort of beta test all of these concepts in these podcasts and in these sort of druggy experiences where these guys are just spitballing and they're seeing what works and what resonates with people and you suddenly get millions and millions of people supporting this one episode of a podcast where this guy is going off on this epic rant about how aliens were. Jesus was basically one of the channeling some of these beings, or what are they?

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

Theosophy is really behind all of it, if you want to put a name to it, that all religions are one and they are all sort of a misunderstanding of the greater phenomenon, of whatever you want. It doesn't really matter because it's not a real philosophy. It's a placeholder that can continuously adapt to whatever needs to be said. Quantum physics exactly like you pointed out and like I talk about in my book Is this thing that they can pull out and they can say anything they want about. What are you going to disprove them? You can't do quantum science experiments. You can't do string theory in your basement. What are you going to say?

Speaker 2: 1:05:19

They have the upper hand, they have a monopoly on all this narrative, but then they can weave it into this synchrotistic, philosophical, mystical idea of all these religions being false. But there is a phenomenon that they've all misunderstood and that is what you should be exploring. It ties back into actually the same thing of that New World Order H U L stocks, but of breaking down the culture, breaking down the borders between not only nations and official governments and policies and stuff like that, and having federal unions and global orders, but culture too. Religions Erase the dividing lines between them, have one melting pot where we all give up on our religions and now we just have an understanding that Islam is no different from Christianity, is no different from Hinduism or anything else, because we were all basically just misunderstanding this one phenomenon. That's been happening throughout history.

Speaker 1: 1:06:27

So unified theory. They're looking for a unified theory of everything.

Speaker 2: 1:06:33

Yeah, but they don't want to push it as that. They would never want to label what they're doing and allow it to be targeted so directly, because then you could create a coherent response to it. That's why it annoys me again that we have the great awakening concept being pushed so generically as this umbrella term for what are actually at least five or six different agendas and working groups and think tanks that are trying to inject their agendas. We have the QAnon Trump worship, apocalyptic, the storm that's going to kill all the pedophiles, on one hand, and they're trying to always leak a little bit of scripture into their stuff and make it sound like this is prophecy happening and Trump is this prophetic figure and stuff. And then you can have natural healing, holistic diet and whatever. That appeals to a lot of women. It's good. Why would you not want to have a return to sort of ancient practices and find ancient remedies and medicines? Because genuinely we all hate big pharma and we hate how our diets and our lifestyle has been corrupted by these corporations. But the question is always what's the solution? And so the solution is return to shamanistic ancient practices and that gets very closely tied in with the vibrations and manifesting and controlling your consciousness and manifesting your own future. And so if you have enough positive vibrations in your life, then you can manifest whatever. And then that ties in with quantum theory, because that's all about vibrations at the substrate of reality, and so reality itself is just vibrations, and these concepts all get merged in the end into the great awakening. But they are not going to tell it to you the way I'm telling it to you, that these are different narratives and these are different agendas that are converging to create this very much planned replacement, what I call the green world order, or what theosophical people would call the age of Aquarius, this breakdown of the old world and the creation of a new world, a new world order with a new age that goes along with it, a new age of enlightenment that goes along with this new world where everything is broken down and all the people unify. But they want you to think that you're doing it yourself. You're discovering these things.

Speaker 2: 1:09:35

You listened to the podcast your friend told you about vibrations and how he is manifesting. It's not going to come from some one authoritative, charismatic figure that's going to shove it down your throat or force it onto you. It's supposed to be this seduction into it and that's really the major innovation since HG Wells. I think HG Wells wanted to have a rational sort of open conspiracy where these people would appeal to the common person using logic and educate them on why this is the best thing. But what I'm understanding now as I look more and more into it, is that that failed. The United Nations theory of how to create this world federation and that sort of petered out during the Cold War and the mystic, occult side of it had to try to take over and create the counterculture, the controlled counterculture, that would then do the job. And those who are Wellesian open conspirators they're still in those positions, sabotaging our governments and destroying our critical infrastructure and erasing farmers and making sure that we can't sustain ourselves and we're unhealthy and all these things. They're still doing that. But on the other hand, as a flanking operation to get both sides, they're also implanting the cultural seeds of our own destruction as well and erasing objectivity, erasing logical discussions and creating these rabbit holes for people to go down, which all end up leading to that so-called awakening, the age of Aquarius.

Speaker 2: 1:11:26

And I'm also noticing in a very one to one day to day experience, especially if I actually post content on TikTok. Christians are being put in the crosshairs of all of this. Christians, especially, are being put in the crosshairs because we represent the old order. We represent exclusive claims that Jesus is the only way to get salvation. He is the door, he is the shepherd.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

You know, jesus says you can't enter the kingdom by any other door. He is the door, and so it's very offensive. It's hate speech, it's whatever they want to call it. You know it's the worst thing you can imagine in today's, in this age of Aquarius, is to have something that defies all other ideologies and all other spiritualities and says there is one source of life and truth, the truth of life in the way. And you know, if you're not on board with that, we're not going to kill you, we're not going to do anything to you, we're not going to even discriminate against you. But that's our belief. But that's not good enough, because I've even seen people talk about how we're disrupting their ability to manifest.

Speaker 1: 1:12:46

You know we're yeah, we're messed up those frequencies.

Speaker 2: 1:12:49

We're setting out the negative, pessimistic vibrations, very low vibration stuff, to be talking about Jesus being, you know, the only path to salvation. And so, man, they sure hate that signal we're sending out. And so the Great Awakening is also a campaign against traditional Christianity and it really comes full circle to a satanic conspiracy. Obviously I believe these people, whether they know it or not, a lot of people who are the best agents for Satan, have no idea that that's what they are. I mean, satan is the deceiver. He's not going to tell you the truth of what he's getting you to do. It's not going to be a conscious decision to follow that. In many ways it's always going to have some veneer of something else to it. But you know, obviously that's what I believe is going on.

Speaker 1: 1:13:53

But we're warned. I was just reading and I believe it was first John about Antichrist. And you know people, culturally, many Christians pictures some guy who might not look that much different than me, maybe some sort of malevolent looking guy with a goatee that's telling the world what to do. But what's being described is Antichrist is anything that doesn't declare that Christ is the Son of God, was flesh, crucified and rose, and so that hostility is going to it shouldn't surprise us.

Speaker 1: 1:14:40

But what we should be on guard for is anything that, anything that, from a Christian perspective, anything that denies that, anything that's universal like that or that theosophical like that, should really get our hackles up. And that doesn't mean to be aggressive, it means that's a warning sign and say, okay, whatever is going on here, obviously something's off, because I know a lot of people that are deceived and they believe and they want the best for the people around them and they think they're doing the right thing and all that. So you know it, most people are not devious in the sense that in their everyday life they want other people to suffer or they hate other people. It's just that they've been so coerced into these tribalistic mindsets and compartmentalized in all these different groups, but the one defining thing that really should separate for Christians should separate is whether or not Christ is the center, and I know that that's off a little from our original topic.

Speaker 2: 1:16:05

Well, in some ways it is, but it's yeah, because when you're dealing with a global conspiracy, it's exactly what the Bible predicted the world becomes deceived. More and more People will increasingly be deceived as time goes on. And I would also point out, in the Bible, in just literally the language of Hebrew and the term holy, people have a very deep misconception of what holiness means. It doesn't mean a magical power that comes from God or whatever the term holy really refers to being separated. And so the more holy you are, the more distinguished you are from the masses, from those who are deceived. For those who are not willing to, because it's understood that being part of the herd is appealing, it's understood that going along with the masses is the default. So to stand apart from that, like a prophet or like Jesus or like God, they're all considered holy, not because they have a magic infusion of power or they're completely. In the case of God and Jesus, obviously they're without fault and they do have miraculous power, but holy people in general would be a people who are separated. That's why Israel was supposed to be a holy people, not because they would be doing miracles constantly, but because they wouldn't do the practices of everyone else. And so Christians are supposed to be holy, collectively and individually.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

And it all comes back to are you willing to divide yourself from the rest of mankind? And guess what? That's exactly what Satan is trying to reverse with the New World Order, with the Age of Aquarius, with exactly the things we're talking about. It's about erasing divisions, lumping us back in, getting everyone on the same page and having us subscribe to the same ideology, the same syncretistic. Ecumenical is another word they use where. That is about trying to unite the different denominations of Christianity. Meaning go back to the Roman Catholic Church, come back to your mother church, as they often try to refer to themselves as. And then the Vatican itself has already acknowledged that they're willing to negotiate with aliens. They've already said that we all need to worship the earth and that it's like our mother, and they've already become fully engaged in the process of transforming itself into the leader of this movement, because they don't want to be left behind. They want to be the leader of the syncretistic, theosophical world system. If that's what it's going to be, they don't have any scruples about that. They can bend the logic any way they need to, just like they have throughout history.

Speaker 2: 1:19:13

And so you know we are dealing with the exact same thing that the apostles were dealing with and that the Jews in the Old Testament were dealing with. It's always about being separate, and so it's always about being willing to and that always comes with persecution, that always comes with a level of discomfort and a level of sacrifice to be willing to say you know, we're not going to make the same deal that you are. You've compromised something in order to belong to this collective. We're not going to compromise, we're not going to give up what the truth is in order to appeal to you. And that's where it directly ties into faith in God. It directly ties into well, if we're not going to have safety from being part of this whole system, if we're not going to have alliances and partnerships and be part of the herd, how do we stay safe? Who takes care of us? That's where God comes in. That's where you have faith in God. So it's actually just one continuous message from the Old Testament to today, which is reject the collective, reject this constant push, the Tower of Babel.

Speaker 2: 1:20:33

Literally right after the Noah's Flood incident, you have mankind gathering together as one people in order to become this unified world order. I don't know if it's the United Nations or the EU, but one of them has a Tower of Babel as their headquarters building. They have an incomplete Tower of Babel as being their monument and they are very much trying to recreate that one world government, the one system. And what did God do? He divided up all the languages, divided up all the people, and then he chose one of them to be separate from all the rest. So he doesn't want the collective with one. You know, one ideology unifying everyone he wants to have a distinct people set apart, and so that is literally the moral from the dawn of mankind till today, and it just becomes more and more articulated as it goes on to the point where you have Jesus talking about how you have to hate yourself and hate.

Speaker 2: 1:21:40

You know even your own family will betray you and even those in your own household will be against you if you follow him, that you will be completely isolated. There will be nobody. He talks about how, in the end, you'll have, you know, christians betraying each other as the breakdown of society happens. And you know, really, you have to be prepared to go all the way. You know to be an individual martyr and to stand up and no matter what happens, what kind of pressure they put on you to not compromise.

Speaker 2: 1:22:14

And you know that's in my sub-stack that I do Winter Christian, the Winter Christian sub-stack. I'm trying to prepare people for that thought experiment, that possibility that in the next couple of years, possibly within the next 10 years, the society breaks down and as chaos takes over and hatred ramps up and you have this hardening of people's hearts and the lack of compassion, I fully believe that you know Christians will be put in the crosshairs and it will specifically be not because you call yourself a Christian. You can be a Christian if you're a progressive Christian, if you're liberal enough to just accept that everything is the same and Jesus is just another, you know, another enlightened being like Buddha and like anyone else. They don't have a problem with that. It's the exclusive claim, it's the saying that we're not like you. That's what they hate. And so, yeah, I'm all about that and I do see the direct correlation to HG Wells, the One World Government, the open conspiracy, all of it.

Speaker 1: 1:23:24

Yeah, and you know, as they say, hell is paved. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And as we interact with people and as we're confronted with all the various narratives whether it's pro-climate change or counter-climate change, or pro-vax or anti-vax or all that there's so many different compartmentalized groups that people get so caught up in the game of engaging with all these different topics and all these different as you point out in your book fire and the rabbit hole, all these different rabbit holes, and they end up wasting so much time and energy at each other's throats about things that are not truly consequential and don't really relate to their lives, and it's a lot of wasted time and energy in my perspective, and I know that some people don't even like to hear that because you know it's like the my team is good. So you know, don't talk bad about my team, but there's so many people out there that mean well, that are even pushing back against the globalist agenda, but they are doing so in a way that is actually perpetuating their own ineffectiveness in their lives, and that's why I advocate so much for people to unplug and get into the dirt and into the real world as much as possible, because it is.

Speaker 1: 1:25:17

That is where you find your individualism. That's where you find your personality is in the relationships with the people around you in real life, and that's what God is. God is a trinity and relational in His very nature, and so that's what he wants for us and with us. And the division that we see out there and the call for unification, that isn't really unification. It's the killing of our holiness, our separateness, our personalities. It's a constant assault against the individual personality, the unique personality that God created in you, and so I always try to advocate for people to unplug as much as possible. Of course, I don't tell people to stick their head in the sand or anything, and obviously I wouldn't have a podcast, but I didn't think there was some value to having conversations. But I really appreciate you coming on again and going through this thought experiment with us. Do you have any thoughts that you want to share, anything that came to mind or anything you want?

Speaker 2: 1:26:43

to sum up, as we get near the end here, yeah, I would agree with what you just said, and I would also just add that I'm very sympathetic to what people are going through right now. We are living in an unprecedented time of deception and pressure. Psychological warfare is really what it is and it is designed at the lowest level of youths, teens, kids scrolling tick-tock mothers, people who normally were never even close to these topics, never even within a mile of thinking about conspiracies and the breakdown of society and climate crisis destroying the planet or vaccines killing everyone. For my whole life I'm close to 40 by now it was impossible to even start to engage people in topics like this. Even when I was interested in it when I was younger, it was way over the head and they didn't care. Now I see, on a very low level, grandparents and single moms and people who really were never in the war, so to speak, feeling very conflicted, very confused, wanting to have direction, wanting to feel like, essentially, that they can go back to having what you said. They can go back to having just a normal life and not have to think about these things.

Speaker 2: 1:28:22

I'm very sympathetic to that because I don't want everyone to become a researching nerd that goes and digs up these books and does all this research. Nobody should have to be doing that. But that's where they're getting us is that they disrupt average life. They create a lockdown you can't ignore. They are preparing for these greater and greater signs and wonders, so to speak, to drag people into these conflicts and pick sides. And then when a person does take a stand, let's say like the vaccine or something like that, and they say, no, this I'm going to fight against. That's a brave effort to just reach out and to take a principled stand on something, but these people didn't want to. Nobody wanted. These people didn't want to be warriors. They didn't want to be involved in this. They wanted to be loved and have a good community and a family and just mind their own business and do their lives because they're not trying to be culture warriors. And so I would encourage people to in some sense let go of that, because it is a trap.

Speaker 2: 1:29:36

To try to go back to just being an individual and actually see that that itself is courageous, to not get sucked into the culture war and the psychological war. To become obsessed with the 2024 election that we're now. You know who knows what kind of insanity is going to come out this year revolving around that. So you know, we're looking at World War III in the Middle East, iran, all these things. We're looking at these things.

Speaker 2: 1:30:03

It's all timed out, it's all choreographed, I believe, on some level, to build up this narrative of the ultimate crisis, because they want every single person to be invested in that scenario, and so it actually takes a certain amount of stubbornness and grit to resist that and to say I am just going to double down on my own personal life. If you're a Christian, especially, I think, at studying your own Bible, and if you still have a church, go to your own church and help the people you can, and I think that is itself a sort of a heroic stand to take when the masses are being led into the rabbit holes. You can resist the rabbit holes and you can just do your own life.

Speaker 1: 1:30:56

That is the revolution. Just living in the real world is a revolution. But I have a high respect for people taking the time to dig through and read the books. I mean, I love learning for the sake of learning and to expand my horizons, and as long as you're able to understand that this is knowledge and understanding the world around you is not a bad thing. But getting caught up in the drama is where it goes sideways. So I appreciate people like you, terry, that really take your time to dig into things and share your honest and very human perspective. Your sub-stack column, the Winter Christian I've been reading that and I've gotten a lot out of that. And, like I said, we talked about your book, fire in the Rabbit Hole. I read that and I just started the. Maybe everyone was wrong.

Speaker 1: 1:32:13

Maybe everyone was wrong yeah, so I appreciate you greatly and, like I said, you always have an open invitation here on the Subtle Cane Podcast and I'm sure we'll be talking again.

Speaker 2: 1:32:28

Thank you very much for having me. God bless you and your audience.

Speaker 1: 1:32:33

There you have it. Well. I always enjoy my conversations with Terry.

Speaker 1: 1:32:37

The importance of understanding the history and progression of the New World Order agenda can shed light on the current state of affairs in a way that just doom-scrolling through social media can't. It's obvious to me that there are deeper and more insidious origins to the narratives of our day that would compel people to accept a world in which they are subjugated and enslaved under a neofutal system of technocratic control. When we start to really understand the incremental Fabian strategies of multi-generational ambitions, we can mount a more measured response. It's also important to recognize that the people who are advocating and accepting these narratives are not always intentionally malevolent. Most people involved in these globalist ambitions really truly believe that they are fighting for the greater good.

Speaker 1: 1:33:28

But behind it all there is a darker and more ancient evil that seeks only to supplant the sovereignty of the one true God. Beware of those who deny Christ and seek their own power, as it says in the Book of Jude. These are grumblers, malcontents following their own sinful desires. They are loudmouth boasters showing favoritism to gain advantage. For all you listening, you are valued, you are loved and you are worthy. God bless and good night. Like a fear answer world. I love turns to ashes here, down some flames, I'm so alive.