The subtlecain Podcast

Interview: Frode Klevstul-Audio Goat

December 31, 2023 Aaron Smith Season 1 Episode 60
The subtlecain Podcast
Interview: Frode Klevstul-Audio Goat
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INTERVIEW: FRODE KLEVSTUL-AUDIO GOAT

 

DECEMBER 31, 2023      AARON SMITH      SEASON 1      EPISODE 60

 

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Today, in Episode 60 of The subtlecain Podcast, we speak with Frode Klevstul about his recent release of the audio version of his book Bill Goats and the Forest. Frode shares some his of his trials and tribulations over the course of the last year and how he has retained his sense of hope and encouragement, while facing censorship and financial hardship. Bring in the New Year with this insightful and delightful author and entrepreneur.

FRODE'S WORK:
https://ajp.fm
https://billgoats.com

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https://www.corbettreport.com

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Subtle Cane Podcast. I'm your host, aaron Smith, broadcasting from the Aorta of America, beautiful festival city, oshkosh, wisconsin, where we pump out reason and pierce through the propaganda. Here we go. Today is Sunday, january 31st 2023. That's right, new Year's Eve is upon us and, as we wait for the ball and another opt to drop, I thought it would be great to invite Mr Froda Birdall Clebstool, author of the book Bill Goats in the Forest, back on the show to talk about what he's been up to this last year. Froda has just released a new audio version of this book and made a transatlantic move.

Speaker 1:

Froda and his partner, miriam, are courageous and kind people who aren't afraid to step outside their comfort zones and speak truth to power, sometimes while facing considerable difficulties. If you go back and listen to episode 34, you can hear my first interview with Froda after he released the printed version of this book. This is episode 60 of the Subtle Cane Podcast interview with Froda Clebstool, audio Goat. Okay, and we have Froda Birdall Clebstool with us today, author of Bill Goats in the Forest, as I mentioned earlier, and I'm so glad to have you back on, froda. Thank you so much for taking the time and you have some updates and news, and I was glad that you agreed to come on and kind of tell us about what you've been up to.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thanks a lot, aran, and thank you for inviting me on. It's nice to be back. It's been a while and a few things have happened. So, yeah, we actually, when I was interviewed by Corbett, there was a guy that saw that interview, a guy from Iceland living in Norway and he was an actor. He'd done some voiceovers and some jobs and he heard that interview and he decided to. He liked the story about Bill Goats in the Forest and he decided to make a recording of the first chapter. So, yeah, that's how he did that and sent that recording to me.

Speaker 2:

So I got it like only a couple of days after the Corbett interview and his was really good. So when I listened to that, I got goosebumps. It was like perfect, perfect voice for the story and he said, well, if you'd like, I would love to record or read the story about Bill Goats in the Forest. He said, yeah, that sounds really good. So we had a meeting with him and we discussed how to do it and that's how we managed now, just recently, to release an audiobook. So it has taken a while actually, from that first sample he sent us till the finished product, but I'm very pleased with it. I think it's like a really good voice for this type of fairy tale and his voice is great. It's a sample of the voice. You will find that on BillGoatscom, at the top of the page, there is possible to listen to the first three chapters of the story.

Speaker 1:

I'll make sure that there's a link. I haven't actually listened to it. I got the notification that you had gotten that and then I reached out to you. But does he have an English?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's in English. Oh, okay, yes, it's the English version we've made the audiobook from. So, yes, this is English. So we're also looking into making audiobooks of the other translations, because that's also new. Since last time we spoke, the book is now available in seven different languages, including English, so it's Portuguese, it's Spanish, it's French, it's German, it's Swahili, so East African and Norwegian. I almost forgot Norwegian.

Speaker 1:

So, yeah, but the audiobook is only English so far, but there might be more versions of the audiobook as well, so yeah, and it's run into a fair amount of trouble and or I should say resistance throughout the process of publishing and distributing the written form. Are you running into any of that with the audio version so far?

Speaker 2:

No, not yet, but we're taking control over the entire process Ourself. So with the published book, yeah, we had some issues First. I think the first time we encountered problems was when we asked. We tried to use a site called Upwork a service, online service and sort of searching for translators for the story. And we were quite honest when we write about the story, what it was about and everything, and posted a job listing and offer there and it was taken down and it happened twice and they didn't admit they took it down, but just weird things happened with our account and we were not able to get any, to get any translators through Upwork, but we managed to just start or share contact information with a few translators, so we managed to get to get communicate with them outside of Upwork and then we actually found some translators through that sort of anyway, but they really made it hard for us to have the story translated. And that, yeah, that's. You wouldn't think that a fairy tale would be that controversial maybe, but yeah, it was.

Speaker 1:

It's odd to me that someone would have taken the time to read through it and interpret the allegorical meaning behind it and then take it that next step. So it doesn't seem like something in an algorithm by itself would catch it. It seems like a person made the decision to target that book.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, maybe, but also because when we wrote, we wrote quite, I think maybe because we wrote quite clearly what the story was about, and so in the job description because it was important to have the translators to be on board with the idea so yeah, so maybe it got flagged somehow and then maybe they read a bit more. Some persons went into or checked out the story possibly. So it was a case, yeah, so, but that's yeah. So that was the first problem. And then we the guy that translated the story took a Swahili and Kiswahili. He lives in Tanzania and when we paid him for the job he did, our bank reached out to us and said, oh, please send us information about this transaction.

Speaker 2:

So we had to send a lot of documentation and they said, oh, it's because of the Know your Customer Policy. So it's also interesting that we had this happening to us, because we paid someone from Tanzania some money. But they were fine. They said, OK, the documentation you have is OK. But it also reminded us of the fact that it's easy to get debanked. So because if somehow they didn't like my answer, they could have just shut down our account, and we know that these things have happened. So that was another reminder of the situation we're in.

Speaker 1:

You did have some other financial repercussions for your work as well. You were talking about how your company had been flagged.

Speaker 2:

Yes, that's another thing that happened and that's because our company, we have our web store and where you can buy the book and Miriam's book. And that started happening as well. Suddenly, several Norwegian clients that want to, or Norwegians that want to buy either the book or as well. We have started our own social network so we have for related to our podcast. So for people that want to support our podcast, they can pay a membership fee there and you get access to the videos. So all the audio podcasts are available for free to everyone, but for the videos you need to be a member of our social network. And suddenly some of our listeners that want to support us they couldn't, their transaction got blocked and they asked us first and we said I don't know why that happened and I did some investigation and several of our listeners as well. They checked with their bank and the bank said it's because this company, they're not trustworthy. They said different things, different banks said different things. But yeah, they've been flagged, they've been blacklisted.

Speaker 2:

And some people say, yeah, we've got bad experiences with these guys. It might be that you don't get product you're paying for. And some of the banks said, yeah, these are involved with gambling, so we've closed their webshop. You can't use our card or the bank's card to pay from their sites. So when I heard this, I also did some. I made some calls to different banks and actually to investigate, like what's going on there, and I'm a customer in three different Norwegian banks, so I tried myself to pay for a membership and then, when it was blocked, I contacted customer support to ask why it was blocked. So, and, for example, one of the bank, they said when I asked why is it blocked, I got the same answer yeah, it's because these guys, these curious creators, which is the name of our company they're doing gambling. And then I said, well, curious creators, it's my company and we're not doing gambling, so that's not correct. And then they will be like, oh, it's your company, so, but yeah, it is, you are doing gambling, so we can't do anything about that. And I was like, well, it is wrong, we're not so like why are you saying that we're doing gambling?

Speaker 2:

And then I found out there's there is one third party firm in Norway that labels they work with most of the Norwegian banks and they make sure that the transactions are safe, so you don't get scammed online. And it was yeah. So, and I was told that about this and it was a bit hard because because the first I was told that no, it's visa. It's visa is blocking the card. So I had to contact visa, I managed to reach out to them on Twitter and they said, no, that's not correct. We don't block any transaction. So you're, the bank you spoke into is not told. Yeah, it's not correct what they say, it's not true. So then I contacted the bank again and they said, well, yeah, okay, it's not visa, it's another third party company that does this.

Speaker 1:

Were you able to get a hold of that third party, or did what did you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I asked so can you please give me the information about this third party company so I can reach out to them and like, try to explain the situation and have them looking into why we're been labeled? And they said, no, you can't have that information. So the bank that's an Norwegian bank called Langredet Bank, they were a customer they said no, you can't have it. So they didn't want to. After I confronted them, when saying that no, it's not visa, they said, well, it's not visa, it's another company and you can't have their contact information. I was like, wow, so it's, we're planning to make a podcast episode about this, because it's just scary the entire situation.

Speaker 2:

And then, luckily, I know some people in another bank so I asked them so can you figure out who's like in control of the flagging transactions and doing this? So I managed to get the name of the company through this person I know. And then online I did some searching. So on a web page I found contact information for this sales person of this. I can't remember what they call this system, but there's a name of this third party system that they use and I managed to get hold of this sales person. I explained the situation and he promised me he would look into it and actually he did and it was very helpful and I sent him information about the company, like the web page. We're following all the regulation about privacy and GDPR and the things we have to follow as a company, and he contacted some people and suddenly we were removed from this list and now everything is fine again. But it's just.

Speaker 1:

It just yeah, I don't know if a lot of people, including myself, would be able to have the patience I would hope I would, but the patience and tenacity to chase that down and make it right.

Speaker 2:

No, yeah, it took a lot of time and it was a lot of investigation and I have to really argue with some employees in the different banks and I wrote a lot of emails and took a lot of phone calls. But it's very scary. But it just shows that the world we're in it's just. If someone wants to flag you, they can do and ask this company so why were we flagged? And they couldn't give an answer, or at least I didn't get an answer to why we had ended up on that list. And I also asked if the government would somehow give input to what companies should be flagged or not and they said, yeah, sometimes they do. So it's something called Lottery. If they, if they think someone is doing gambling, they might contact this company and say I put them on the list.

Speaker 2:

So I don't know at all. And the reason for why we were there, it might have been pure accidental, but you have to speculate, right? So when it's controversial our podcast as well we're talking about things that it's not mainstream and we've been flagged as COVID misinformation and yeah. So it just makes me wonder. And it's a very sort of scary situation as well when you it's nice to get money and be able to sell the products, but suddenly, with a flip of a switch, they can shut off all opportunities for that. So we, through that time, we lost a lot of people that were sales, so people who want to become members of our podcast, and yeah, I would say.

Speaker 1:

I'm probably would lean toward you being specifically targeted for your, for your speech or for the message of the bill goats in the forest yeah, the allegory of that story seems the most likely, and so it does.

Speaker 2:

It does, and especially when we we've experienced several things like that in as we've discussed. So, yeah, so, and then what? So it's the same thing when you have a company and using a payment gateway, for example. A system like stripe is used by so many sites online. So many web web shops are using stripe. And what if stripe decides? Same as PayPal did right and patron did so, if you use, what if stripe for when the next big thing is happening, decide to fiercely remove everyone labeled as misinformation, then, yeah, a lot of sites will.

Speaker 1:

We saw that with the Canadian truckers to even the, the charitable sites were just crowdfunding, yeah, where that money was confiscated. Who knows how much you lost in in sales. There's no way to really recoup that, I would imagine. No, no, it's a team of lawyers or something. I was going to say what, what is it that drives you to keep on going? I know there's you're not exactly a large, massive operation to have drawn the eye of Sauron, so to speak. He's somewhat intimidating and you're not. You know I'm, I'm here, I live, you know, 60 miles from where I was born and raised, but you and Miramit are globe trotters, to say the least, and you guys. So there's a circumstances that you reach that are different when you are in a place completely different from home. So that has to be very isolating. That's got to feel very isolating when you're already striking out on your own in a new place, which you two have done on multiple occasions. Now how does, how, do you keep your, your momentum going and do you, do you struggle with that at all? I?

Speaker 2:

it was very hard the winter 2021, 2022. There it was very depressing and that was before the Bill Golds and the forest was released, published. But that period we felt really alone, when we were located at the, at this island, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, at the end of the A source, south Miguel Island, yeah, then, then I have to say I struggled a lot. It was just a massive pressure. We experienced as being unvaccinated and really trying to navigate through life, also without wearing a mask. For example, we used, we managed to only wear face shields. We had to wear them because otherwise we were not allowed to enter any shops or anything. And we felt then I really struggled, I got depressed and it was hard, but as I have this drive, I just have to speak and it's actually it gives me a sort of feeling of happiness. I could not be. I'm not able to sit still and watch what's happening without doing doing something. So so whenever I have energy and extra time, I work on either the podcast or like, for example, bill Golds, different projects there. So, and when I see also that people like what we do either the book or the or our work that we do together, miriam and I. It's also very motivating, and we've gotten a lot of good feedback and, yeah, I've had a lot of people reaching out after they read the story. So that's, and after I was on your podcast last time and different podcasts, it's been very rewarding, so that then that gives me more motivation to to keep going. And so it's it's. I would say it's, it's easy to continue. It would be very hard to shut up. I know the feeling. Yeah, I just have to.

Speaker 2:

And also, though, weirdly enough, even though we were in Portugal, the Acer is in there. I think, if not the most, it's one of the most vaccinated countries in Europe. But we just randomly bumped into people that were on the same side as we, and we connected with so many people that even the first time we, just when we had an Airbnb trying to find a place to live there, the guys that rented out the Airbnb, they were on board with everything, they saw the entire agenda, so, and it just happened to bump into people like that on the A-Source, which helped, of course, because then you get a network. But now we have continued now. So now we're also in America, like you, a bit further south, although we're located in Panama right now, and I think this is going to be our new home and the same thing. Here, though, we even though we haven't been there for that long we tend to get in touch with people that are, yeah, we. When you start talking to them, you realize, okay, yeah, they see, they also see it, they understand.

Speaker 1:

Short break here. If you listen to my last episode, you'll remember that I will be focusing my value for value segment on a specific need out there. Well, I asked Froda if he had any suggestions and he talked to me about how much he valued the work that our friend, mr James Corbett has done and is doing and suggested that people contribute to his efforts. I myself am a paid member of CorbettReportcom. Corbettreportcom is a virtual treasure trove of open source journalism and research, and the resources available there are free to anyone to access at any time. That means James does need people to voluntarily choose to support his work. He's the real deal and his work does help many, many people find answers to questions they've been looking for.

Speaker 1:

So this episode we focus our efforts on CorbettReportcom. There will be a link to his work, along with Froda's, in the show notes. I encourage you to return value to these wonderfully selfless individuals. Please email me with suggestions for a featured need going forward at subtlecainatprotonmailcom. That's subtlecainatprotonmailcom and I will bring it here to be presented on the show. Let's get back to it. What you're from, what you were telling me, it's not exactly paradise, but you've seen some pretty encouraging things thus far, even if they were a little bit exciting, more exciting than maybe you.

Speaker 2:

Yes, because we came here on the 20th of October and the same day some protests started. So it was a Canadian mining company that had gotten their mining contract with Panama renewed for, I think, for another 20 years, I believe, and a few years back I believe it was in 2017 the High Court had ruled that the contract, or the mining contract, was unconstitutional and, despite of this, the contract was renewed. So the people they united and they started protesting and actually for I think, close to six weeks, five weeks or so they just closed down the country. Most of the roads were blocked, some parts for 24 hours a day, as other parts they blocked during the day and they had opened at night and maybe they blocked for a couple of hours and then they opened for 15 minutes. So it was a bit chaotic and it was very hard to travel within Panama, so we stayed put in Panama City more or less all the time. So then the High Court again ruled that the new contract was also constitutional, so and the protests ended.

Speaker 2:

I'm not sure exactly what's what's status is with the, with the mine now has it, is it about to stop or when is it closing down, but I heard that the president said that there will be no more mining, so the details I'm not sure of, though, but what we saw is that the people united and they protested together the indigenous, the workers, the different different groups. They seemingly got the outcome they wanted. But there was a bit at night, for example, in the city here there were tear gas, gas, and that is almost like war in between the police and some protesters. So there were shootings, I think, maybe with rubber bullets, I don't know and throwing on yeah, hopefully throwing on things like look like, sounded like grenades, but yeah, we stayed put in our hotel room after dark every day, so, and yeah, but it was a, it was a bit. When you come from Norway, that's not what you used to in the streets.

Speaker 1:

There's a theme that that I'm seeing you know around the world, that that people forget that, that we actually do have a voice, and it can feel really oppressive at times and we can, especially after going through the the time we did with with the COVID thing it can feel like you're really alone.

Speaker 1:

So the voices like yours and Miriams that are out there and are encouraging people and sharing their stories and making sure that others know that they're, they're not the only ones who feel or think the way that that they do, that that's in. That's so encouraging. And I just remember clanging on to that at times when the world around me seemed like it was an impenetrable fog of deceit and confusion and fear that that having that that voice speak out and in a firm doesn't necessarily have to affirm exactly what you believe, but affirm that you that understanding that this isn't right and I'm not being told the truth, and that really can it help me vastly through all that, and I'm sure that the work that you're doing is helping many people within your reach there and that's why I call you the windbreaker.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thanks, I really love, love that. So that expression, when you said that last time, I started using that, as you know, in my signature, I put it on my web page. So, be a windbreaker. I think it's a great slogan and it's a great thing to try to achieve to be that windbreaker, to stand up and protect the others from the wind that is blowing.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, what is?

Speaker 2:

it.

Speaker 1:

I mean it's sincerely your, your, your character and just the interactions we've had and stuff on and off air just shows me such a genuine personality and someone who is, is willing to take the hard road, if that's what it takes and and if that means Bearing some hardships so that others don't have to or don't have to feel it so fully, that that's a very admirable characteristic to have in a personality. So I I respect that, I appreciate it, thanks a lot.

Speaker 1:

Aaron, what's what's next on your docket? What do you? Do you have anything that on the front burner right now, or is it mainly trying to get this Audio versions done and distributed, or do you have any other projects that you're working on specifically right now?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I also. What I'm working on is actually a because Right now they the the physical book is no longer in sale because we did that ourselves or sold the English hardcover version at least of story, and since we're now, the books are left in Portugal. Actually, they're sitting there in a container, the remaining books, and we have to. When we found find our place, we will have them shipped over here and then we will start selling them again. So right now there are no English books. And then we also had a Softcover print-on-demand books on sale and that's another thing we experienced actually. So the company that we use it was located in America. They sent me a Contract or a form that I had to sign and they said I had to sign that the books were not in anyway, hateful and couldn't fall under deformation, or, yeah, there were a few things that they I had to sign. That the books were definitely wasn't within this type of category of books. So that was there. Then I started thinking that, okay, we have to, we have to move away from this print-on-demand company as well. So we stopped Selling the books there. So our plan is to, when we have a home to, to print some Physical hardcover books, of the translated versions as well.

Speaker 2:

So, and but in until that, to have something to sell, we I am working on the Electronic books, so I've looked into how to make EPUB. That's one of the open source formats you can where you can use for electronic books. So I'm I'm right now I'm close to finish with the English version of the EPUB, but I have some. I need to update the order system. That's because we do everything ourselves, or at least most of the things, so to be able to sell these EPUB books, I have to Write some code. So that's what I'm working on these days to to update the, the webshop and the order system that will Actually, for everyone that order, I will generate a unique Electronic book for them to download. So, yeah, that's that's what I'm working on now, next to trying to settle in in a new country and Hopefully also learning some Spanish Later, later on or soon.

Speaker 1:

Oh, my goodness. I can barely my laptop and much, much less write code for a store, but as evidence for your last interview when I when I forgot to switch over to the right microphone, so yeah, well, that's that was my background was coding though, so before that's I did in the old days I did a lot of programming.

Speaker 2:

What are you?

Speaker 1:

when you take a look around Right now and just see the general state of of things, is there anything of all the the various operations, psychological operations, that are going on or anything? Is there anything that's it stands out to you In the news or that you've taken specific interest in any topics that you've taken specific interest in Lately, that that you think people should look into further?

Speaker 2:

Well, this is more related to Norway, but there there have been some Like stoting or the politicians have voted to to give away the right, so for the next pandemic that they were all talking about coming, that they don't have to go through the normal democratic process, they can just look down the country immediately To save time. So that's, that's a big thing that is actually happening right now in Norway. But, well, it's yeah, I'd, yeah, I. This thing is definitely not over and there is a lot of things going on. Even though it might feel a bit quiet now it's possible to travel.

Speaker 2:

It's, yes, as if there are Miriam actually used that Expression, so I will, I will borrow that from her but it's as if they're suffocating you closely. They're sort of their, their hands, the globalists hands are around our necks and they are not releasing the grip. They're just, slowly but surely, they're pressing harder and there are a lot of things to be worried about. And with the climate agenda and with the central digital currency, cbcs, yeah, now a lot, of, a lot of Alternative media have to take talked about, for example, the Possibility of the internet being restricted more that, for example, that the cyber polygon. That's been, that happened, the where they they they simulate to the takedown of an internet. So I would assume that it's Huge and it's not me that's come up with this, but I am. Corbett has mentioned it as well.

Speaker 2:

But actually they need to get control over the internet because I guess one of the worst things now is people like us like the job you do, the job we do, and people like Corbett and we're able to quite freely share information online. Okay, it's not on Facebook and not on YouTube, but still we can have our own web page and we can share information. So that's something I'm quite, I have to say, worried about or following. If they're actually planning to, or what they plan to do, how will they do this? Will they introduce this driver's license for the internet so everyone has to identify to connect so you will stay safe, and the entire thing? They're labeling information as fake and what's happening there to only have verified information from verified sources. So I think there would be rulers of this world would like to have a lot less free information on the internet for the next big thing that's going to happen.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

I know, people make the argument and the argument can be made for having a digital identification because of trolls and pedophiles and all these. But what people? I think, when they hear those arguments and they latch on to those specific examples, it's easy to forget that you are now entrusting your sources of information to people who have already shown on many, many occasions and in many different ways that they cannot be trusted to be the source of truth. Remember the New Zealand Prime Minister that I wrote video where she was saying that we will now be your only trusted source of information? Yes, you know the old Queen, hypsos Custodians, who will guard the guards or who will watch the watchers?

Speaker 2:

Yes, that's exactly, and a lot of people. I also listen to some podcasts, some tech podcasts like Linux podcasts and things. I'm interested in these computer things as well, and I actually heard something today because there was a group of people and there's to guess that I know it's not good. In the beginning it was very decentralized online and it's not good that it's become so centralized with Facebook and Alphabet or Google, and so we need the government to control this so we once again can get decentralized systems. So the solution they see the problem, yes, the problem that is centralized, but their solution to that would all they will all agreed on it, seemingly or to actually have the government controlling more. So, yeah, I think a lot of people think that the same thing. Yeah, the government needs to make sure that there aren't pedophiles online or there aren't hackers from Russia or North Korea. So we need more like less privacy or ID cards to connect to online.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, and also those people to abdicate any personal responsibility for verifying things themselves or critically thinking about what is or isn't true, if you can just hand that over to some bureaucrat or some algorithm, no longer have to be personally responsible. And in a society that in the Western society in general, I think we've been given such an easy life in many senses and we've abdicated so much of every little aspect of our lives. We can just go to the store and buy some meat, or we can go and go to the store and get whatever we want, and we have this very easy, immediate gratification, credit card life. You don't have to save for anything. There's plenty of handouts for people that don't want to have to try and fight their own way through life.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I'm not saying there shouldn't be some sort of safety net for the most vulnerable people in society, but what I'm saying is, when you allow more and more and more to be done for you and more and more and more to be given to you, that never comes for free. You know, the old saying is there's no such thing as a free lunch, and it's true Every time you abdicate something, and something as important as information. I just can't fathom the idea of handing over my access to information to people that conducted themselves the way they have. You know and this is COVID's recent but going back I mean you can how many declassified documents do we see of operations like Mockingbird and operations north north woods and all these different things we see when clearly we can't trust the people in charge with the information? And they've shown that so many times and I agree with you. We need to retain that and we should not be abdicating that responsibility to verify our own information.

Speaker 2:

We should. You're absolutely, yeah, right, I agree. So it seems that people I don't know, a lot of people don't remember and a lot of people don't know and a lot of people don't want to know. So, and it's just comfortable to To do as I say, to be able to go to work, to, to to be told by the doctor what to do, to, to be able to shop in the store without thinking that any of the products there might harm you, and so easy life. If you have to Start looking into things and you realize that most things are turned upside down, it's yeah, it requires a lot of work and it's like in matrix. It's comfortable to take the blue pill and and and feel the taste of the, the beef or the steak there. No, yeah, so yeah, but I think so that's Based on the amount of people that we also talk to, and that's also, I know, in Norway, a lot of podcasts.

Speaker 2:

After we were one of the first podcast, only podcast that talked about these of the covid situation In Norway, and now there are a lot of podcasts that have started and using our auntie and the pot as a Motivation for starting their own. So definitely there are more people talking about these things now. So that is great. So is there enough to turn things around? I know it, but and I haven't been in this space for that long, though, but also listening to other people that have worked in this, this sort of alternative space, for longer this I hear they're seeing the same things that a lot of Move. There's a movement going on. There are more people asking questions now and then, for example, ten years ago, covid did a lot of things to a lot of people, and that's why I think they're also really these globalists, really want to control the information Happening on the internet in that sense, I think a lot of what was going on backfired like you push too hard, too quickly, and it ended up stirring a lot of people.

Speaker 1:

I do worry sometimes about the ability that, that that the door opens up for Commend hearing, that space, the alternative that there's some very, very smart people in psychological operations and intelligence agencies and in just the corporate world, that they see something that's working and they say, oh yeah, let's do a lot of that. You know, we like that, we like that song. Now we just need to find somebody that kind of looks like that and release the song with the same chord progression and we're gonna have ourselves a platinum hit to.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, true. So no, it's, it's exciting, it's definitely not boring, that's for sure, this life, that's my guess is maybe, maybe they will pull the alien card for twenty twenty four, so then we'll have a, an alien invasion sort of an.

Speaker 1:

All governments have to unite and yeah, well, this is a episode, so are we going? Yeah, should we put that's for all those prediction? For I don't think that's a bad one and, you know, maybe it'll be. I kind of thought about this myself with the idea of some enlightened masters. You see all these movies with the with the gods coming back, and I always think, well, the gods are really alien and the Prometheus yes. So that's taken, that off maybe. I guess I'll go with the with the cyber Pandemic.

Speaker 2:

I think that's a, that's a safer bet, but I'll I'll. Yeah, cyber pandemic is good one, but I'll you say, maybe they think too too many people are talking about it, so maybe they'll just do the alien invasion thing.

Speaker 1:

Well, that would be distracting, that would, that would that's yeah, it would. What a. I will put links in the show notes for for how to get to the audio book and to the rest of yours and Miriam's work. Do you have any last thoughts for people bringing in the new year here to the in two thousand twenty four?

Speaker 2:

I'll just say happy new year.

Speaker 1:

That'll, that'll cut it. That's good because, well, we need to be happy and we need to have joy and looking and look forward to the future with hope. And, you know, talk to you and getting to know wonderful people like yourself and Miriam and just Experiencing that that I'm not alone in what I'm doing and that there are Many, many people out there, more than we know that, that are fighting for truth, pushing back against the globalist agenda and trying their very best to just live as Ethical, responsible citizens of the of the world, whatever that means just being good human beings. And I appreciate you so much and I appreciate you taking the time to To come back and talk to me and I look forward to speaking again and I, like I said, I look forward to possibly Taking a vacation on sunny beaches of Panama.

Speaker 2:

That would be awesome. I hope to see you soon.

Speaker 1:

All right, thanks so much.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and thank you for inviting me on.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. There's a reason why I love to talk to Froda he searches for beauty in the world and retains a sense of awe. It comes out through his art and his writing and in discussion. He's not afraid to tackle the difficult issues or face hardship to maintain the integrity of his principles. What can I say? He's got a spine of steel and a heart of gold, and I guess that's what it takes to be a windbreaker Vulnerability and resiliency, common sense and humor. May you all have a blessed new year and I end with a quote by the American philosopher William James. Quote Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense Dancing For all you listening. You are valued, you are loved and you are worthy. Happy New Year, god bless, and good night. Like a fear, as a world that turns to ashes.

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